Skip to content
Archive of posts tagged vancouver

trust the salesman part II

after all the dealings with mazda dealers, i signed on the evening of the 21st with jim pattison northshore toyota for a toyota corolla, 2010, ce model without a/c. i went there based on the promise of the salesman that the car is in their parking lot:

MR Barzan we have the exact vehicle that you are after in stock in a silver, could you let me know when we can arrange a time that works best for you to view and finalize the deal . I have attached a price sheet for you as well.

Thanks again.

after work, 7:30pm, i made my way to the dealership. surprise surprise, by the time i got there the car that i was told about was traded to the duncan toyota dealership. my reaction as you might guess was of total disappointment, as i walked away from a deal an hour earlier because they had to ship my car to vancouver. faced with this, i asked if there are other cars in the province and how soon can they be delivered. i was assured there are a few more models and it won’t take longer than 2 days.

with this in mind, trusting the salesman i sat down and negotiated the price. i did get a very nice price on the car i wanted, and was hoping to obtain it within a couple of days. however, the games started on the 22nd of december. i get the call to inform me that the delivery of the car is a bit more expensive and it will cost me and extra $200. to this, i informed them that i signed a contract with a price, they can either bring the car at no cost to me or they can lose a sure sale. the price for delivery is not a problem of mine, as they made a promise to have a car for me at the price agreed on the contract. faced with the two options, the delivery was possible at no cost to me (go figure!). however, there was a catch the car was to be available on the 28 or 29th of december (due to christmas and the weekend).

on the 29th, i called and asked for an update. at this point i was told the car is on its way and will be available on the 30th or the 31st. i spend almost a half an hour with the manager on the phone due to this. he kindly informed me the dealership will be closing around 4pm on the 30th. this seemed not to be in agreement with their front desk, which confirmed the 9pm closing time. shocking, i know?

so, on the 30th in the morning i decided to make my way to the dealership and wait for the arrival of the car. i noted down the phone numbers of ctv vancouver and global bc. i fully intend to call the news stations and inform them of how northshore toyota has continued to delay the arrival of my car. but there’s more. prior to leaving the house i called vernon toyota. i figured, what the heck? the manager there informed that the silver 2010 corolla without a/c is in their parking lot and he has the papers to it. it has not been delivered and there was no corolla traded to any dealership in vancouver the preceding week. someone has to be lying at this point? so the way i figured it is: the silver corolla i was told about was never traded, but they hoped to get a $200 extra profit on it. since i didn’t bite they figured might as well take their revenge and make me wait. thus, they never had to deliver any car so there was no extra cost to them. the other possibility is, the vernon manager lied, but that to me seems more unlikely because he overall would have nothing to gain. he knows there’s a slim change i would drive all the way to vernon to pick up a car.

i talked to the salesman once i got to northshore toyota and asked for an eta on the car. i was told 5pm, and the car will be available for pick-up at 6pm. i said, i’ll wait. the surprised look on his face is worth the 4 hour wait. however, about 20 minutes ago he informed me the car should be here within an hour. i’m nicely placed in the dealership so that i have a view of the entrance to the automall. i will see if a car is towed in that is similar to the corolla. the contact is dependent on a test-drive and the condition of the car to have less thatn 100km on the odometer. furthermore, i will request to see the transfer papers and shipping papers (they have to have some). chances are they will refuse (most likely if the car was never shipped). if they show them to me, then at i am certain they did have to ship the car. as you can imagine, i’m quite disappointed and upset about how they managed this transaction. they tried to increase their profit at every corner (which is fair enough), but had no reason to delay it so long just because i didn’t bite. essentially, it would be in their best interest to have the shipping papers and be willing to share them. if not, that will be a lie and i think the better business bureau of bc will be interested to know about this. in conclusion to this, i advice anyone not to even bother dealing with jim pattison northshore toyota, they are simply dishonest.

so, now i wait…more to follow once i get the car.

edit: (3:25pm) – the car has arrived, with vernon license plate holders. it drives great and has less than 100km. however, i will ask for the shipping papers.

edit II: papers signed, car ownership taken…and enjoyed the evening driving it. overall, the salesman at northshore proved to be quite helpful. throughout the process he had to endure my constant questioning and has been helpful. it’s his manager that delayed the process, decided to push for the extra profit and had the final decision as to when the deal was made. while the salesman had to play the manager’s game (it’s not as if he had a choice), in the end it’s still the manager that is guilty in my opinion for the whole charade.

high security at yvr

recently i had the pleasure of traveling north-bound on vacation in order to visit some old friends and enjoy what nature has to offer at footsteps from the north pole. anyhow, the decision was to travel by plane, after-all driving 2000 kms is not always a desired thing to do. by this point i am assuming you all know where this is heading, yes something to do with a company that managed to annoy me. well in this case i decided to travel with air canada. the only reason as to why, was because due to some parental help i had a code for 5% discount for the flight. at the time, air canada was trying to fight back west jet (and west jet’s offer of matching the price of a discounted fare if purchased earlier). thinking i am somewhat covered, i figured why not. well i purchased two tickets (round-trip) from vancouver to yellowknife.

about 3 weeks later i noticed the price decreased in total about $250. well, quite a big decrease. so, i decided to see if they were true to their word and if they will match the new price. i called them and left a voice-mail, as it was quite hard to get a customer rep. anyhow, they did eventually call back (about 2 days later), to inform me that the ticket is non-refundable, which means i can’t even try to get a re-fund, lose some part of the ticket and buy the new ones. essentially, i got told tough luck. i tried arguing, and telling that west jet offers this thing, but of course they had the clause ‘non-refundable’. so be it, i figured it doesn’t matter, so might as well fly with them. after all, it’s likely it will be the last time given west jet does seem to at least pretend they take better care for their customers. thus, they did essentially lose a customer that actually flies a few times a year.

anyhow, long story shorter…on the day of the flight we leave for the airport by bus/sky-train (yes, we decided to try the new crappy line). overall, the crappy line did impress, given it was direct to the airport and made it quite easy. no major complains about it (except the dumb rationale used to design the stations, especially the one at yvr – given the order of ticket machines do not make sense). overall, good idea, but dumb way of managing the project. anyhow, we get to yvr quite rapidly and get in line to get our tickets. all goes well, and we get to the security check point. put the carry-ons through the x-ray machine, and walk through the metal detector. my significant other passes first, and the metal detector beeps. the guys with his portable metal detector decides to check her over, and around the hips the detector beeps. she was wearing a pair of jeans (and you all know the jeans have the metal parts that might beep). anyhow, beeps once and the security guy calls for help from a female guard who confirms my significant other is only wearing jeans. well, the guy checks again on the other hip with his metal detector, which beeps again. and again he asks for help. overall the thing beeped 3 times, around the same area…and he wasn’t bright enough to realize it’s the jeans (given they were tight on the legs). kind of makes you wonder what kind of test these puppets in uniform have to go through prior to getting hired (given they are allowed in restricted and secure areas). anyhow, we get on the first plane, the second…and we arrive in yellowknife.

after a week and a half, we get to the yellowknife airport and go directly to the ticket desk. hand in our passports, at which point i notice the young lady across the counter turn to her fellow employee and whisper something to her. essentially on her lips i noticed ‘it’s expired’, and seeing how she had my passport in hand…i quickly interrupt. as it turns out i took the wrong passport (the old one) with me to fly. not quite something smart on my part, but overall given it was in canada i would have been ok. anyhow, essentially i passed through five different points where my passport was checked and was allowed to proceed, until the sixth where a young 20 some girl noticed. give her credit, she was new at the job…perhaps that’s why she paid attention. the woman at the air canada desk at yvr did not notice the expire date on my passport was 2007, she gave me the ticket…did not warn me, notice me or tell me to present another piece of id. the pre-security screen check took a look at the boarding passes and the passport and let me proceed to the security point at yvr. the horny puppet at the security point was causing so much of a scene with the beeps and request for help that nobody bothered to check the details on my passport…so i was allowed to proceed. the girl at the entry to the plane did not notice and neither did the one in calgary. so, overall i passed through 5 points where my passport was checked and nobody noticed i was traveling with an expired passport.

well it’s good to know that the girl that noticed the expire date was extremely enthusiastic and essentially proceeded to state that this ‘made her day’, but that got me wondering…yvr is an international airport. the same airport where security did not notice that a man was hanging around aimlessly for almost 10 hours two years ago, prior to calling the cops who proceed to kill him through electrocution within 60 seconds from arriving. makes you wonder the level of security in the airport that is supposed to protect the travels coming to the next olympiad. given the winter olympics are coming to this boring city, i was hoping for a higher sense of security from the airport hosting the games and from the ‘official’ airline of the 2010 olympics. overall, it was 7am so i guess the customer rep at the counter was too tired…then again seems quite easy to obtain a ticket with a ‘fake’ (fake since it was expired for 2 years) piece of id and proceed to the security check. not to mention that the security puppets at the security check where things are supposed to be caught in case they are not proper, are more interested in staring at an ass and holding back a girl, make her spin a few times…so that their security cameras can get a good view every part of her body…given she had her sweater raised so that her jeans were visible. that to me seems more or less like sexual harassment, but if one complains…one will only label oneself for further detail checks when traveling through this secure airport. can one blame a horny security puppet, or perhaps should one question the ones responsible for hiring these lack for professionalism security guards. if this is how they secure the airport, i wonder what other things they have missed.

the other check points, well it’s clear they only check the name…not anything else. after-all if the main security check allowed the person to pass…then they must be in order. level of security at the yvr, quite poor. level of shameless acts, quite high. it was quite surprising to see that security misses a person hanging around for hours in an apparent secure area, but after the latest trip through yvr…makes you wonder what caught the attention of the security puppets. one can only hope they will raise their level within the next 4 months, if not…we’re in for perhaps a few ugly surprises…

after 11

on this day, 26th of october, 11 years ago i stepped off the plane and onto canadian soil for the first time. received by the ever-joyful rain, welcome to vancouver. at 14 the city was mesmerizing, lights everywhere, ‘big’ streets, buildings, mountains …. keep in mind prior to getting on the transatlantic plane the biggest cities i’ve seen were: constanta, cluj and oradea. i still remember wondering if i’ll ever get used to it.

prior to this, i recall leaving romania. driven to the budapest airport, only to get there about 10 hours prior to our departure time. plenty of time to reflect on what was left behind, flood some toilets and figure out how to dry your hands without paper. in my defense, i have never seen an electric hand-drier with or without a sensor. then followed amsterdam, where as many already know the wait for the klm connecting flight to vancouver is 7 hours. overall i think we spent more time waiting for take-off than being on board the plane. however, when you’re leaving for a ‘better’ place…the wait is bearable. 11 years later, i’d say the it was worth the wait…